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InvestorGuide Daily Administrator |
Amazon.com's stock has fallen by more than two-thirds, and some observers even question whether it will survive without a shotgun marriage to a deep-pockets partner. It's not a profitable company, won't be one any time soon and has $72 in debt for every active customer. (source: Washinton Post) http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6929-2000Jun27.html |
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smario |
It doesn't make any sens that an online property would move entirely offline. To me, a pure online play has the same negatives that a pure offline play has - a lack of distribution channels. As far as I'm concerned, it's way to early to give the net as a way to conduct business the kiss of death. I've always felt the an online presence would provide your company with a key distribution channel...not THE channel, but an essential one to do business in the future. What this means is that a company like Walmart still needs a successfull net strategy - to give up now would be to give up on the future. What better way to immediately get a solid online channel than to buy Amazon? |
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wassup? |
Interesting points on both ends, gatsby and hecubus. But, why does Walmart want to buy Amazon at this juncture...just because it is cheap? or because it is a good idea? Maybe retailers just don't need an online prescence, least of all walmart. Yeah, they have the big pockets to allow amazon to do more of the same stuff that hasn't been working so far. Amazon already has the branding, and the partners, but it hasn't made it profitable yet. I don't see why Walmart or any other bricks and mortar retailer would feel the need to buy an etailer at this point. Maybe down the road, but not right now. Too risky. they have just been a black hole for cash up until now, when and why is it going to change? |
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hecubus |
On this topic, sort of, Cramer had a comment on the Street today that implied he wouldn't be surprised to see some online players move completely OFFLINE. Yeah, Amazon shuts down its e-commerce and opens up outlets in the local strip mall. I find it intriguing, actually--the site could be maintained as a research tool, with reveiws and recommendations and a tool for checking the inventory at a local retailer--or making a special order, but all transactions occur at the outlet. This was prompted by Cramer noting that online brokers like Ameritrade and E*Trade are trading at multiples similar to online brokers--once that is true, the benefits of being online start to diminish--it is expensive to maintain your brand...
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gatsby |
Amazon is so low right now (thirties) that it makes me wonder if it's time Walmart seriously considered buying it. Doesn't it make sense? The only drawback I could see is that many of Walmart's customers are still not online, but you can always set up call centers for them anyway. What does everyone think? If not Walmart, why not someone else? Anyway, I know it's been said, but if Amazon isn't going to make it, what pure online etailing play will? The answer, of course, is none. |
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KeithG |
I have to agree with MaxPower about the importance of this issue, and there's a quote below from a column I read to give some outside support as well. Moreover, there is the possibility of a scaary, nasty, chain-reaction for poor-old amazon...if Amazon's stock really starts to fall apart, the rest of the dot.com world is going to be hurt by it as well--Amazon has always been held up as proof that this could work. This will hurt amazon's investments which will in turn hurt the sector.... here's the snippet: More pressing and lost in the shuffle of recent events, he says, is the fate of marketing relationships Amazon has entered into with upstart dot-coms. These deals typically have Amazon investing in the companies that turn around and buy space, which then gets reported by Amazon as advertising revenue. "These are investments that will require money," says Chanos, who is short Amazon. If Amazon can't raise money the question then, Chanos says, will be: "Will Amazon have to keep some of its partners on life support, thus draining its cash reserves?" '
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MaxPower |
Not just that, but there was some discussion on this board awhile back on Amazon as a venture capitalist. Amazon was able to mask their non-profits by investing heavily in other dot coms that gave them great returns (ie a cash infusion). But with many of those investments at rock-bottom levels, Amazon no longer has the ability to fill the cash tank. They really have no choice but to focus on profitability, or they will run out. I'm not sure if this was part of the analysts discussion on Friday, but it seems like it really is an integral part. |
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ag8ion |
Yesterday's stock slump in AMZN should not have come as any great surprise. At the same time that company executives were on T.V. criticizing the press and claiming that everything is just dandy, they have been unloading their shares at a record rate. I've just checked the insider selling and have found over 200 million shares have been unloaded in the recent past. It also shows in the lastest filings that this continued at least up to June 14th. We'll soon know if they are still selling but it's probably a safe bet that they are. There is a site that has great info on the massive amount of insider selling that has been going on in tech stocks, including MSFT and CSCO and many others. Go to the "What's Next" page at this address http://www.jasmts.com/visitor/ |
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InvestorGuide Daily Administrator |
Shares of Amazon slumped more than 14% Friday after Lehman Brothers characterized the e-tailer’s credit quality as deteriorating and advised investors to avoid the company’s convertible securities. Shares of Amazon lost 6 1/16 to 35 15/16 in early trading, on the heels of a drop of nearly 9% Thursday. (source: MarketWatch) http://www.marketwatch.com/archive/20000623/news/current/amzn.htx |
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newguy |
Here's an article about Amazon's recent price hikes in its zShops and auctions: http://yahoo.cnet.com/news/0-1007-200-2130403.html This paragraph sticks out: "Atkinson, who typically lists about 100 items a month on Amazon Auctions and another 50 on zShops, said that the number of items she sells has dropped from about 30 to 35 a month to about three or four." |
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InvestorGuide Weekly Administrator |
Three or four years ago, most people believed Amazon's path forward would be much clearer by now, but the jury's still out on the ecommerce pioneer's path to profitability. (source: USA Today) http://www.usatoday.com/usatonline/20000608/2341074s.htm |
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InvestorGuide Daily Administrator |
Under two deals announced today, Hewlett-Packard will supply equipment to power Amazon.com's Web site and become an "anchor tenant" for the e-commerce giant's consumer electronics business. (Source: SJ Mercury Center) http://www.mercurycenter.com/svtech/news/breaking/merc/docs/041538.htm |
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InvestorGuide Daily Administrator |
Profitability in sight for Amazon.com (AMZN) according to CEO Jeff Bezos. He stated that the company's U.S. books, music, and video segments would be profitable by the end of the year. (source: Seattle Times) http://www.seattletimes.com/news/business/html98/amaz11_20000511.html |
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InvestorGuide Weekly Administrator |
Could an e-tailing shakeout be a good thing for Amazon (AMZN)? (Money Magazine) http://www.money.com/money/depts/investing/virtual/archive/000427f.html |
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gatsby |
I actually caught a bit of the conference call. Amazon's executives repeatedly talked about the "drive to profitability" with continued gross margin improvement and a decreasing cash burn. They have over $1 billion in cash in the war chest right now. However, the biggest problem seems to be the failing of the companies in the Amazon network. It's great to be a one-stop place for shopping, but if you build it through acquisition, and those acquisitions fail as businesses (just look at any of the relevant stock prices), then what do you have? Books and CDs. Ooooh. |
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