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Topic: How will E-Commerce companies survive? (April 2000)
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dude
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posted 04-26-2000 02:20 PM
KeithG, I'm not sure whether we're just arguing semantics or whether my positions differ from yours (and or the guy you quoted). So let's be explicit.I predict that average daily Nasdaq volume for May 2001 will be 20% higher than that for May 2000. What do you predict? I predict that the average beta of all stocks in the Merrill Lynch Internet Index will be 20% higher in May 2001 than in May 2000. What do you predict? I predict that in the next twelve months, there will be at least two months in which fewer than 10 U.S. companies raise more than $100 million each in IPOs, and there will be at least two months in which more than 50 companies do so. What do you predict? I predict that online advertising spending will be 60% higher in 2001 than in 2000 (same as in my earlier note). What do you predict? Let me know if there are any other things you want predictions on, I'd be happy to supply them... |
infooverload
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posted 04-26-2000 10:12 AM
Another last minute save for a struggling and once-high-flying etailer..."drkoop.com postponed release of its first-quarter earnings, warned they would be ugly, said it had cash to stay alive through the summer, and retained Bear Stearns to explore strategic alternatives. A victim of its own bad marketing deals and the recent market downturn, drkoop.com painted a grim picture after the market closed today. Last July, the company agreed to pay AOL $89 million over four years. As of Dec. 31, $65 million of that was still outstanding. Today, the company said it had renegotiated with AOL, converting all future cash commitments, estimated at $64 million, and warrants into a 10% equity stake." I guess AOL felt they had no choice - either DRKoop would go bankrupt, and they wouldn't get the cash anyway, or they could take a 10% stake, (probably at least one spot on the board as well), and see what happens. |
KeithG
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posted 04-19-2000 03:57 PM
dude, is there any reason to take your predictions at greater value than his? Two sets opinions, take them both with a grain. But, I think maybe you don't neccessarily disagree as much it seemsMaybe this was my fault when I posted the article, but I think you are missing the scope of the piece. If you focus on Net companies--which is the context of the article--his comments make more sense. Fewer IPOs: I think that as people begin to question the ability of non-profitable Net companies to survive, we will definitely see fewer of them coming public. Will the overall IPO market dry up?--no. Will it run hot and cold?--of course it will, that is saying something but saying nothing. Less advertising: I am guessing that he meant people will see fewer net companies advertising, on TV, radio, the Super Bowl and online. I doubt he was making general statements about the future of all advertising. You make fine points, but I think your statement about the Super Bowl ads were more on point here. Massive consolidation: In the dot-com world? I think it is a pretty educated guess. I am not sure what exactly you meant by your statement, but if you focus on dot-coms/net companies (not that I know what "dot-com" means these days) only, does that change your opinion? I think many players are going to be swallowed by bigger online companies, by brick-and-morter companies, or just disappear. More stable prices: My interpretation of his statement was, in the long run, after the shakeout has occured, the tech markets will stabilize. In the short run, there is plenty of volatility in the future. However, as people are better able to value and assess these new companies, we should eventually return to a more stable, less high-flying market where hundred-point swings are rare--more like the old days. However, I think your point about online investing is a very good one and will have an impact. Just some reactions.
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dude
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posted 04-19-2000 02:02 PM
> The future, Colony said, will be one with fewer IPOs, less advertising, massive consolidation, and more stable prices.- fewer IPOs: Over the next few months there will be fewer IPOs, and far fewer blockbuster IPOs. But the IPO market will continue to oscillate between hot and cold for the foreseeable future. - less advertising: If he means less total advertising, I disagree. It will continue to rise 5-10%/year for the long term. If he means less online advertising, I disagree. It will rise about 80% this year, about 60% next year, about 40% the following year, then about 20-30% until it reaches a quarter to a half of total advertising spending. If he means fewer startups wasting millions on bad advertising campaigns, then I agree that it will taper off, but only as soon as the amount of VC money flowing into such companies tapers off. - massive consolidation: In some markets, yes. In others, no. - more stable prices: If he means stock prices, I disagree. Volatility will further increase as online investing continues to move into the mainstream and as information continues to get disseminated more rapidly. If he means prices of online products and services, that's a tricky question, and will get trickier as shopping software agents proliferate. But that's beyond the scope of this discussion. |
KeithG
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posted 04-19-2000 12:15 PM
I saw this in a Wired article and thought it was an interesting look who is in charge of dot-coms. Thee topic is Forrester Research CEO George Colony's assesment of many dot-com CEOs:"Many of the dot-com CEOs lacked depth, experience, and common business sense," he wrote in a letter on Forrester's discussion site. "There was a fanatical focus on valuation -- getting public and liquid -- while value -- what the customer eventually gets -- was a back-seat discussion." Colony drew a sharp distinction between CEOs of Net startups and leaders of more established companies. Most Net executives, he said, seemed committed only for the short-term, unfazed by their highly fluid work force, and fixated on cliched and simplistic business models. He also wasn't too impressed by many of their businesses. "These companies are not built to withstand competition, they're not built to deliver sustained value, and they're not built to last," he wrote, offering this year's Super Bowl as an example of the lack of foresight. Internet companies spent record sums on 30-second spots that in most cases proved to be "a phenomenal waste of money." Colony had kind words for a few high-profile dot com executives, like Priceline founder Jay Walker, Amazon.com's Jeff Bezos, and eBay CEO Meg Whitman. Those few executives who possess a long-term vision and are willing to marshall the sales forces and put up the investments to back them will end up controlling most of the market. Weaker players, in the meantime, will be forced to drop out. The future, Colony said, will be one with fewer IPOs, less advertising, massive consolidation, and more stable prices. In the meantime, many of those in-your-face upstarts will find themselves cowed into the shadow by those slow-moving, profitable "old economy" companies they once derided. So where will all those 20-something Net millionaires end up? Colony issued the following prediction: "The dot-com generation will get squeezed by more skilled baby-boom managers and aggressive Generation Y newcomers. Former dot-com managers will end up working for their elders and their juniors," he said.
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netinvestor
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posted 04-18-2000 04:04 PM
David Kathman, stock analyst at Morningstar, said "Some newly public Internet companies are down 80 to 90 percent from their highs, and are likely to be taken over or driven out of business by larger competitors." There's another vote for the takeover possibility.Peapod recently recieved $73 million in funding from Royal Ahold for 51% of the company, although it will continue to operate a stand alone business. There's one company that has gotten "bought out" although not by a direct competitor, but by a offline brick and mortar rival. |
JHirsch
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posted 04-18-2000 01:50 PM
That's a very interesting study, and as you say, contradictory to everything else we have been hearing. Do you know where I can find a copy of the study? Or is it only for BCG clients or employees?
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gatsby
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posted 04-18-2000 01:07 PM
The Wall Street Journal revealed results of a study that indicated many Internet retailers are turning a profit. Among online retailers that were in business for at least a year, 79% of catalog companies, 50% of traditional bricks-and-mortar stores and 36% of pure Internet plays had profitable Web operations, according to the study from the Boston Consulting Group and shop.org. The study was based on information from 412 of the leading online retailers, 221 of which answered a questionnaire. Boston Consulting Group estimated that online shopping will grow 85% this year, which would be less than the 120% growth in 1999, to $61.1 billion. According to the study, traditional bricks-and-mortar companies tend to turn a profit more quickly than pure Internet plays because they already have established brand names and customers and do not have to spend as much money on marketing to get shoppers. The study found that Internet-only retailers spent $82 to acquire a new customer as opposed to $12 for traditional retailers. The article quotes Boston Consulting Group research director James Vogtle as saying "the issue around a lack of profitability and the number of online retailers that will die has been grossly overstated." |
InvestorGuide Daily Administrator
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posted 04-17-2000 06:34 PM
In brief:- Shoppers will spend $61.1 billion at North American internet sites this year, an 85% increase over last year led by sales of travel, computer hardware and software, and brokerage services, according to a Boston Consulting Group study. |
MaxPower
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posted 04-17-2000 04:34 PM
Why does everyone get so hung up on "evidence." Lack of evidence does not prove or disprove anyone's assertions. For myself, I usually draw from personal experiences (both through my sales history and shopping experiences). If you buy something online, and something goes wrong, rarely is there any face to face help or even a real person to fix your situation quickly. But offline, usually a salesperson will bend over backwards to fix something right away. And being in sales, it is a rule of thumb that if you fix a client's problems quickly and correctly the first time, you have them for life.And anyway, common sense says most people are limited offline to there local shopping areas. So one bad experience at Barnes & Noble won't keep from you going back if it's five minutes away. But online, you can easily go from store to store. So sure, I have no proof. But I still believe that common sense can be a great foundation for any "assertion". |
heister
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posted 04-17-2000 03:09 PM
quote: Originally posted by trendy: That's exactly what I was saying, heister.
Sorry trendy, I guess I just read KeithG's post and didn't even look the others before posting... and we did say almost exactly the same thing. Machiavelli, do you really think that Kmart's bluelight.com will ever do much business? Wal-Mart I think will do well, but Kmart just doesn't have as big a name behind the brand.
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KeithG
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posted 04-17-2000 10:45 AM
MaxPower, What is your evidence to support that assertion? Here's my take--if the first customer service experience at ANY retailer (online or off)is bad, they won't go back. However, if someone has made many purchases and already likes a store, and then has a bad experience, they may be willing to look past the experience. I think that if someone has made a bunch of purchases with Amazon and then has one bad experience, they probably will go back. I agree that if someone trys a new online retailer and they screw up the first order--they're probably gone, but I think that is true with offline stores as well. While the online stores have a greater liklihood of screwing up (dealing with shipping and such) than the average offline store, I am not sure the leash is shorter. |
MaxPower
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posted 04-17-2000 10:04 AM
Chew on this - one bad customer service experience online, and the shopper probably won't go back to the same online store. However, one bad experience in an offline store, and there's a good chance the shopper will still go back. |
Machiavelli
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posted 04-14-2000 10:55 AM
I really think the big winners from the collapse of etailing will be companies like Walmart and KMart. In fact, I'm even thinking about investing in one or both, because of the opportunities that will open up for them both in the short and long term. What does everyone think? |
trendy
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posted 04-14-2000 10:48 AM
That's exactly what I was saying, heister. |