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InvestorGuide Weekly
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posted 08-07-2000 11:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for InvestorGuide Weekly      Reply w/Quote
Amazon.com revealed that a significant portion of revenue from one of its most profitable business units is paid in volatile internet stocks rather than cash, leading some analysts to further question the quality of the beleaguered web pioneer's financials. (source: LA Times) http://www.latimes.com/business/20000804/t000072883.html

Amazon really can turn profitable, eventually. Here's how. (source: CNNfn) http://cnnfn.cnn.com/2000/08/02/technology/amazon_profits/

BarnesandNoble.com is struggling. (source: Forbes) http://www.forbes.com/tool/html/00/aug/0804/feat.htm

newsman
posted 07-13-2000 12:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for newsman      Reply w/Quote
Here's a lengthy list of struggling internet companies. Not all e-commerce, but many are. http://www.webmergers.com/watchlist.htm

InvestorGuide Weekly
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posted 07-11-2000 10:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for InvestorGuide Weekly      Reply w/Quote
Internet investors have been worrying about the amount of cash in dot-com coffers, but Upside suggests sequential growth is another metric that merits investigation. (source: Upside) http://upside.com/texis/mvm/story?id=39636c710

Layoffs in the digital world fired up in May and June, and there may be more to come. (source: CNNfn) http://cnnfn.com/2000/06/30/career/q_dotcomayoffs/

The polarizing Amazon.com debate is about more than the future of an internet bellwether, it is about the viability of e-commerce in general. (source: The Standard) http://thestandard.com/article/display/0,1151,16555,00.html

trendy
posted 06-15-2000 02:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for trendy      Reply w/Quote
Here's another list of defunct and soon to be defunct dotcoms: http://www.upside.com/Ebiz/392ec4c10.html

terrific
posted 06-15-2000 09:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for terrific      Reply w/Quote
That list includes several e-commerce pioneers. I guess first-mover advantages aren't all they're cracked up to be... in these cases, the extra time just made it easier for them to run out of money.

newsman
posted 05-31-2000 06:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for newsman      Reply w/Quote
A new report from a Goldman Sachs analyst (Anthony Noto) predicts that these companies will run out of money if they don't get additional funding within a year:
Autoweb.com
Buy.com
CDNow
Drugstore.com
Egghead.com
EToys
Fogdog.com
Garden.com
HomeGrocer.com
PlanetRx.com
Streamline.com

InvestorGuide Weekly
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posted 05-08-2000 12:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for InvestorGuide Weekly      Reply w/Quote
During the past year, many online companies were able to take advantage of their high stock prices to acquire offline and established companies. But now the tables may have turned. Falling valuations among many online companies are starting to make them look very attractive to offline suitors. (source: CNet) http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1007-200-1807970.html

mybillions
posted 05-04-2000 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mybillions      Reply w/Quote
I reply to the microsoft breakup: Governments seem envious of what works... It is why I choose smaller companies to buy stocks into like ITCO ( Intercell Technologies ( wireless Communications0 and grow with them for a while... mybillions PS As far as the E commerce they will do all well for a few years ( the new coming ones ahead of the pack)... I bought into ECEE ( E commerce West now at $ 1 a share... also NTRN ( National Network Solutions, also an e commerce ) at 20 cents, knowing they are still ahead of the new pack coming up. DO WELL FOR A FEW YEARS THEN take your profits, my billions... my pleasure

[Note: This message has been edited by Mayor of Investorville]

bobcobb
posted 05-02-2000 10:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bobcobb      Reply w/Quote
some interesting thoughts from the industry standard. CDNow is beated down, but they seem to think just their user base is worth buying. Its not a bad point... http://www.thestandard.com/article/display/0,1151,14477-1,00.html

KeithG
posted 05-01-2000 11:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KeithG      Reply w/Quote
Interesting, dude. I agree that it will likely be harder and harder to differentiate between net companies and non-net companies. Maybe that author's comments really have no value because there is no real definition for "net companies." Everyone seems to have their own opinion of what a net company is. As far as your beta prediction, I was wondering if you felt that skepticsm would keep those numbers down. I think that valuations are being rationally deflated and that the high fliers will fly less high in the future. Simply by trading in a smaller range than during the "bubble" period, beta should be decreased, correct?
I guess I really don't have any idea what the markets will look like in a year, I haven't been doing this long enough. So it is pretty hard to compare between May 2000 and May 2001. However, your explanations have cleared things up quite a bit.

Thanks,KG

dude
posted 04-28-2000 05:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dude      Reply w/Quote
> If you limited those statements to net companies (e-commerce, content, etc), not the market as a whole, would you stand by them?
Yes. The reason I didn't specify net companies is that it's going to get harder and harder to differentiate between net companies and non-net companies. Every company will have some internet presence.

> I feel that we are going to see greater stability in Net company stock prices in the future, because people will be better able to value them and that initial bubble has burst.
I disagree, per my prediction "I predict that the average beta of all stocks in the Merrill Lynch Internet Index will be 20% higher in May 2001 than in May 2000".
My rationale is that I don't think the average investor is getting any better at figuring out what a given internet company is worth. I do expect betas on established internet companies (AOL, YHOO, etc) to gradually fall, as they have been, but there will always be a steady stream of new startups that have a chance of either exploding or flaming out, and they will continue to be extremely volatile.

> I agree wholeheartedly that total spending on online advertising is going to increase, mostly as offline companies focus more on advertising on the web. But, do I feel net companies will do less advertising on and offline? Yes.
The ones that are burning through their money will obviously stop spending on advertising. But overall, I think ad spending (online and off) by all companies which derive most of their revenues from the internet will continue to go up (probably 30% this year).

KeithG
posted 04-28-2000 05:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KeithG      Reply w/Quote
dude,

Your original post said this:

quote:
- fewer IPOs: Over the next few months there will be fewer IPOs, and far fewer blockbuster IPOs. But the IPO market will continue to oscillate between hot and cold for the foreseeable future.

- less advertising: If he means less total advertising, I disagree. It will continue to rise 5-10%/year for the long term. If he means less online advertising, I disagree. It will rise about 80% this year, about 60% next year, about 40% the following year, then about 20-30% until it reaches a quarter to a half of total advertising spending. If he means fewer startups wasting millions on bad advertising campaigns, then I agree that it will taper off, but only as soon as the amount of VC money flowing into such companies tapers off.

- massive consolidation: In some markets, yes. In others, no.

- more stable prices: If he means stock prices, I disagree. Volatility will further increase as online investing continues to move into the mainstream and as information continues to get disseminated more rapidly. If he means prices of online products and services, that's a tricky question, and will get trickier as shopping software agents proliferate. But that's beyond the scope of this discussion.


If you limited those statements to net companies (e-commerce, content, etc), not the market as a whole, would you stand by them? For example, I feel that we are going to see greater stability in Net company stock prices in the future, because people will be better able to value them and that initial bubble has burst. I doubt we will be seeing tiny portals or e-commerce companies finding the absurd valuations they had before this latest downturn. Do I feel the same way about wireless companies, or internet infrastructure companies? No. But for pure net companies, which I thought this guy was talking about, I disagree with some of your statements there. I agree wholeheartedly that total spending on online advertising is going to increase, mostly as offline companies focus more on advertising on the web. But, do I feel net companies will do less advertising on and offline? Yes.

Whatever, it is not a big deal, but I would be pretty curious if you felt that the above statements applied if they were limited to what I envision are "net companies."

dude
posted 04-28-2000 04:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dude      Reply w/Quote
KeithG,
If you want to try one more time to explain your original point, feel free. Otherwise, no big deal...

netinvestor
posted 04-28-2000 11:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for netinvestor      Reply w/Quote
There is a growing business in companies that help dot-coms and their lenders and suppliers and contractors pick up the pieces as the dot-com companies fail.

These sites
Bankruptcylink.com, Bid4assets.com, Ereorg.com, NABT.com
are all aimed at helping businesses liquidate their assets in an efficient manner.

KeithG
posted 04-26-2000 03:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KeithG      Reply w/Quote
dude,

To be honest, I haven't bothered to make any predictions on the things you have--that was not my point. The comments from the original post were not mine, they were from an article, and I thought they were worthy of being read. And I still don't feel that you and the author are dealing with the same issues, which is what I was trying to point out in that last post. Your predicitons, on their own are fine, but as a refutation of the article, I think you are comparing apples and oranges. I think his focus is much smaller than the big picture you are looking at. My opinion.

Moreover, I am not trying to keep you from making and posting your predictions--heck, keep them coming. I presented another writer's comments, which you seemed to dismiss. Fair enough, but I was curious why someone should listen to you instead of the writer. Answer: they shouldn't, nor should they listen to him instead of you--that is, unless they know more about both sources of information than I do. All an investor can do with the glut of information out there is take all of it in, think critically about the sources, and make decisions based on all the factors. Now, everyone has some numbers to base their evaluation of you as a forecaster. Same story with every other author who puts their predictions/opinions out there for the masses. More power to you.

I really don't feel we're of differing opinions, it is just that we're not on the same page yet.

kg

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