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InvestorGuide Weekly Administrator |
Amazon.com revealed that a significant portion of revenue from one of its most profitable business units is paid in volatile internet stocks rather than cash, leading some analysts to further question the quality of the beleaguered web pioneer's financials. (source: LA Times) http://www.latimes.com/business/20000804/t000072883.html Amazon really can turn profitable, eventually. Here's how. (source: CNNfn) http://cnnfn.cnn.com/2000/08/02/technology/amazon_profits/ BarnesandNoble.com is struggling. (source: Forbes) http://www.forbes.com/tool/html/00/aug/0804/feat.htm |
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newsman |
Here's a lengthy list of struggling internet companies. Not all e-commerce, but many are. http://www.webmergers.com/watchlist.htm |
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InvestorGuide Weekly Administrator |
Internet investors have been worrying about the amount of cash in dot-com coffers, but Upside suggests sequential growth is another metric that merits investigation. (source: Upside) http://upside.com/texis/mvm/story?id=39636c710 Layoffs in the digital world fired up in May and June, and there may be more to come. (source: CNNfn) http://cnnfn.com/2000/06/30/career/q_dotcomayoffs/ The polarizing Amazon.com debate is about more than the future of an internet bellwether, it is about the viability of e-commerce in general. (source: The Standard) http://thestandard.com/article/display/0,1151,16555,00.html |
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trendy |
Here's another list of defunct and soon to be defunct dotcoms: http://www.upside.com/Ebiz/392ec4c10.html |
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terrific |
That list includes several e-commerce pioneers. I guess first-mover advantages aren't all they're cracked up to be... in these cases, the extra time just made it easier for them to run out of money. |
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newsman |
A new report from a Goldman Sachs analyst (Anthony Noto) predicts that these companies will run out of money if they don't get additional funding within a year: Autoweb.com Buy.com CDNow Drugstore.com Egghead.com EToys Fogdog.com Garden.com HomeGrocer.com PlanetRx.com Streamline.com |
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InvestorGuide Weekly Administrator |
During the past year, many online companies were able to take advantage of their high stock prices to acquire offline and established companies. But now the tables may have turned. Falling valuations among many online companies are starting to make them look very attractive to offline suitors. (source: CNet) http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1007-200-1807970.html |
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mybillions |
I reply to the microsoft breakup: Governments seem envious of what works... It is why I choose smaller companies to buy stocks into like ITCO ( Intercell Technologies ( wireless Communications0 and grow with them for a while... mybillions PS As far as the E commerce they will do all well for a few years ( the new coming ones ahead of the pack)... I bought into ECEE ( E commerce West now at $ 1 a share... also NTRN ( National Network Solutions, also an e commerce ) at 20 cents, knowing they are still ahead of the new pack coming up. DO WELL FOR A FEW YEARS THEN take your profits, my billions... my pleasure [Note: This message has been edited by Mayor of Investorville] |
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bobcobb |
some interesting thoughts from the industry standard. CDNow is beated down, but they seem to think just their user base is worth buying. Its not a bad point... http://www.thestandard.com/article/display/0,1151,14477-1,00.html |
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KeithG |
Interesting, dude. I agree that it will likely be harder and harder to differentiate between net companies and non-net companies. Maybe that author's comments really have no value because there is no real definition for "net companies." Everyone seems to have their own opinion of what a net company is. As far as your beta prediction, I was wondering if you felt that skepticsm would keep those numbers down. I think that valuations are being rationally deflated and that the high fliers will fly less high in the future. Simply by trading in a smaller range than during the "bubble" period, beta should be decreased, correct? I guess I really don't have any idea what the markets will look like in a year, I haven't been doing this long enough. So it is pretty hard to compare between May 2000 and May 2001. However, your explanations have cleared things up quite a bit. Thanks,KG |
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dude |
> If you limited those statements to net companies (e-commerce, content, etc), not the market as a whole, would you stand by them? Yes. The reason I didn't specify net companies is that it's going to get harder and harder to differentiate between net companies and non-net companies. Every company will have some internet presence. > I feel that we are going to see greater stability in Net company stock prices in the future, because people will be better able to value them and that initial bubble has burst. > I agree wholeheartedly that total spending on online advertising is going to increase, mostly as offline companies focus more on advertising on the web. But, do I feel net companies will do less advertising on and offline? Yes. |
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KeithG |
dude, Your original post said this:
quote: If you limited those statements to net companies (e-commerce, content, etc), not the market as a whole, would you stand by them? For example, I feel that we are going to see greater stability in Net company stock prices in the future, because people will be better able to value them and that initial bubble has burst. I doubt we will be seeing tiny portals or e-commerce companies finding the absurd valuations they had before this latest downturn. Do I feel the same way about wireless companies, or internet infrastructure companies? No. But for pure net companies, which I thought this guy was talking about, I disagree with some of your statements there. I agree wholeheartedly that total spending on online advertising is going to increase, mostly as offline companies focus more on advertising on the web. But, do I feel net companies will do less advertising on and offline? Yes. Whatever, it is not a big deal, but I would be pretty curious if you felt that the above statements applied if they were limited to what I envision are "net companies." |
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dude |
KeithG, If you want to try one more time to explain your original point, feel free. Otherwise, no big deal... |
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netinvestor |
There is a growing business in companies that help dot-coms and their lenders and suppliers and contractors pick up the pieces as the dot-com companies fail. These sites |
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KeithG |
dude, To be honest, I haven't bothered to make any predictions on the things you have--that was not my point. The comments from the original post were not mine, they were from an article, and I thought they were worthy of being read. And I still don't feel that you and the author are dealing with the same issues, which is what I was trying to point out in that last post. Your predicitons, on their own are fine, but as a refutation of the article, I think you are comparing apples and oranges. I think his focus is much smaller than the big picture you are looking at. My opinion. Moreover, I am not trying to keep you from making and posting your predictions--heck, keep them coming. I presented another writer's comments, which you seemed to dismiss. Fair enough, but I was curious why someone should listen to you instead of the writer. Answer: they shouldn't, nor should they listen to him instead of you--that is, unless they know more about both sources of information than I do. All an investor can do with the glut of information out there is take all of it in, think critically about the sources, and make decisions based on all the factors. Now, everyone has some numbers to base their evaluation of you as a forecaster. Same story with every other author who puts their predictions/opinions out there for the masses. More power to you. I really don't feel we're of differing opinions, it is just that we're not on the same page yet. kg |
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