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Art Vandelay |
This is a very interesting subject. I can appreciate both sides of the debate. My position is that while I think there should be more disclosure, I don't think it should be required by law. If increased disclosure is important to investors, they will move their money to funds that report their holdings more fully, more often, and more promptly, to the detriment of those that don't. |
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KeithG |
Here's another article about the mutual fund industry and disclosure. This morning they "voted," or something, not to make disclosure mandatory. http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/current/ici.htx
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hecubus |
I found this link on the InvestorGuide.com homepage. It is about mutual funds attempting to be more transparent. Some of the funds were mentioned in the Tomments, but it sounds as if more are stepping into the fold. |
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Bill Tarr |
Influential CSFB internet analyst Lise Buyer is quitting to join VC firm Technology Ventures. The comment below is from an interview in which she explained why she was tired of the games analysts have to play: Q: What's your take on the bad rap analysts get about issuing only positive comments? |
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hecubus |
So, apparently a Soloman analyst downgraded At&T's stock this morning--cut his price estimate to 65 after having raised it pretty recently. The thought on the Street is that this analyst never wanted to raise his target, but was pressured to do so prior to the AT&T Wireless IPO which his bank was underwriting. The higher the parent company was valued, the higher the tracking stock would be valued, the more cash-money for the investment bank. This sort of stuff wasn't on my radar much before this article, but now it seems to be popping up all over the place. This is a dirty business. |
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fanatic |
Here's an article poking fun at the 'experts' who were quoted in a UK article as having said YOU MUST SELL NOW! http://biz.yahoo.com/mf/000516/hill_000516.html |
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InvestorGuide Weekly Administrator |
BulldogResearch.com compares the predictions of Wall Street analysts with the subsequent performance of those stocks so you can tell which analysts are worth listening to. This site is the latest in a series of startups that are bringing accountability to stock picking, a topic we wrote about at length in our latest Tomments and Tommentary. BulldogResearch: http://www.bulldogresearch.com |
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hecubus |
I think it is nice that there is some accountability being brought to the world of individual stock pickers, but until there is some way to be sure that these people on Iexchange have only one identity, I will never use any of that information. There is too much anonymity and potential for incident. these individuals, who don't even need to post real names, have a financial incentive to create multiple "personalities" and hope that one of them gets lucky. These folks have similar insidious incentives to deceive you as well, so watch out. The other problem I have is--everyone argues for long-term, buy-and-hold strategies for investing. Yet, the numbers that will make these stock-pickers attractive is 1000% gain in one month. That is something that happens because of luck, not because of skill. What is the liklihood that you will be able to watch someone create a portfolio on these sites and then see how it does over the span of years, not months or weeks? I am dubious, I would expect people on these sites to come and go and disappear all the time. Who knows, maybe I will be wrong, but I am more interested in bringing accountability to the professional world than to the individual, anonymous investor. |
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bobcobb |
quote: I agree that they aren't doing too well, but "best Idea" funds aren't necessarily the ones that will do the best in the short run. One of the funds mentioned has only been around for 5 months. The jury is not out yet... |
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Tom Murcko Administrator |
Lori, Thanks for letting us know about BulldogResearch.com. I just checked it out and it looks great. |
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lori rosen unregistered |
I wanted to alert users about a web site recently launched called BulldogResearch.com, which rates analysts based on the accuracy of their predictions. It's a watchdog for analysts. I think people will be interested in this site. Questions, e-mail me at lori@rosengrouppr.com or call 212-255-8455. |
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Meloni |
Does anybody know a site providing streaming quotes (no need for refresh; like Reuters etc.)? I tryed www.thestreamer.com but they have no personal watchlists... |
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slurm |
Just found this article: http://biz.yahoo.com/ts/000505/fund2_000505.html It supports Tom's point about mutual fund managers not being very good at picking stocks. Excerpt: "You couldn't go wrong with 'Best Ideas' funds, right? If you're not familiar with the species, they're typically concentrated stock funds holding what a brokerage or money management shop believes to be the best investments at any given time. But it seems, despite their catchy concept, they're not much better than most other 'run of the mill ideas' funds out there." |
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joe62 |
I appreciate Tom's insight into the stock selection process of market analysts, commentators and individual investors. But, after reading all three parts, I have the feeling that his quest for the "best" stockpickers is a bit like the alchemists of old trying to perfect the formula for turning straw into gold. Put quite simply, it ain't possible. If someone publishing a three or six month price target is accurate more than 30-40% of the time, I'd be surprised. I expect an analyst's "top-pick" to outperform a benchmark about 55-60% of the time. Poor analysts will do even worse. In short, trying to find someone to provide you with a short-term ticket to riches is folly. That said, I am not saying that commentators, analysts and individuals do not provide useful information. Rather, it's in how you use it. Philip Fisher, the original growth stock investor, tells of how after World War II, he decided that the chemical industry would take off. He then set out to find the one best company in that industry in which to invest. As he relates the tale, he could pretty quickly identify the top two or three prospects. Identifying the absolute best pick took months. He wanted the single best chemical company as he believed that, over the long haul, he had a 90% chance of outperforming the market with that one pick. That's much better than the chances of outperforming if you have the market's best short-term forecast. And, Fisher's investment results are legendary. How does that help us? Use anyone's ideas to help you identify the stock (or stocks if you don't want to concentrate your picks as much as Fisher did) that are truly exceptional companies, selling at reasonable valuations. Very few companies will make that screen. But, if you purchase a stock with the idea of never selling, you'll chose very carefully. And, you'll improve vastly the chances of making a splendid investment. |
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Tom Murcko Administrator |
< --- PART THREE --- > In the two previous parts of this essay, I investigated the various types of stockpicking 'pros' and found that for a variety of reasons their performance left a lot to be desired. Does that mean that there's no place for an individual investor to turn to get stock recommendations that are worth listening to? Actually, there's a new breed of sites that believe that there IS a place individual investors can turn... other individual investors! Could individual investors possibly be better than the so-called experts? While the idea has met with a lot of skepticism by the powers that be, it might not be so outlandish. Consider the evidence... Obviously, not all individual investors will be good stock pickers, and in all likelihood they will, on average, do about as well as the overall market. But even if individual investors as a category are poor stock pickers, as long as there is even a small percentage who are consistently good, the population of individual investors is so huge that there will be hundreds or thousands worth listening to. Of course, the key is being able to identify the consistent outperformers, so we can separate the contenders from the pretenders, which leads us back to accountability. Accountability is just as important for individual stock pickers as it is for analysts, mutual fund managers, columnists and newsletter publishers. In fact, it's probably more important, because individual stock pickers don't have reputations to protect (at least not yet). I would like to cite evidence to support the claim that many individual investors are good stock pickers, rather than resorting to speculation, but I wasn't able to dig up the relevant statistics. This is probably because, until very recently, the prevailing wisdom was that individual investors had nothing important to say, and so it would be a waste of time to track their performance. But things are rapidly changing. Several sites do accept the premise that at least some individual investors are able to outperform the market and the professionals, and they're going to try to prove it. iExchange is probably the fastest-growing site for stock recommendations from individual investors. Backed by internet incubator idealab, iExchange invites individuals to contribute research reports on stocks, along with target prices and dates. iExchange tracks the performance of each stock picker and ranks them based on average rate of return, directional accuracy, and predictive accuracy. What's in it for the individuals? While most of the research reports are free, individuals are able to charge for their reports if they choose to. Presumably, once a few investors have a track record of consistently good picks, other investors will be willing to pay something for research from these stock picking stars. Validea from the Reese Group is a similar site. They also track the performance of individual investors, and they even compare individual investors to columnists and periodicals. Also, according to co-founder Keith Ferry, Validea will shortly begin tracking online computer models the same way it rates human stock pickers, so even if you're not a good stock picker, maybe the software you write will be. The site's look and feel is very professional, but the data is pretty sparse: as of this writing, only ten individuals have made 10 or more recommendations. There are several other sites taking baby steps toward bringing accountability to individual investors. StockJungle tracks investors' picks, lets other investors rate and comment on them, and provides cash prizes for the best stock pickers. Predict-It lets individuals predict stock prices as well as sports events, political elections and entertainment happenings, and also pays cash prizes for top performers. ClearStation, which was acquired by E*Trade in March 1999, is a variation on traditional stock message boards. It tracks and displays the entire portfolio and performance for each member, so you can see who's worth listening to. The idea of individual investor stock recommendations is certainly not a slam dunk. One major issue is whether the data these sites collect will be sufficient to demonstrate that certain individuals are consistently good at predicting price movements in the stocks they follow. As these sites grow in popularity, Statistics 101 tells us that there are going to be some strong performances even if there are no strong performers. If you fill a stadium with coin flippers, the odds are that a couple dozen will flip heads ten times in a row. If there turn out to be slightly more outperforming stockpickers than the laws of probability would predict, users will still be stuck with the problem of differentiating between the genuinely good pickers and those who got lucky. There's an additional problem. In the mutual fund industry, investors are often encouraged not to chase last month's hot fund, because the correlation between last month's performance and next month's performance is low (or possibly negative). Mutual fund rating services recommend that investors look at a fund's long-term performance (e.g. five years), to better judge whether the fund is a consistent winner. Since these individual investor rating sites are new, it's going to take a long time before their users are able to differentiate between consistent winners and lucky guessers. Furthermore, there's the issue of identity. These individuals don't have reputations to protect, and actually have a relatively high degree of anonymity on these sites. Are there sufficient mechanisms in place to prevent someone with a bad record from just signing up again to get a clean slate? There don't appear to be yet, and it's an issue that these sites will need to resolve if the performance data they track is to be of any value. Additionally, some of the stock recommendations will be made by people with a vested interest, either fairly innocuous (e.g. those with a long or short position) or more insidious (e.g. people being paid to tout a stock). However, the latter can largely be avoided by focusing on stocks traded on NYSE, AMEX and NASDAQ NM. Also, such conflicts of interest are already an issue for any type of recommendation, and should be less so given the high level of accountability... it will be very easy to check a given investor's recommendations, and those that give in to such conflicts of interest will in the long run find their performance suffer and their ability to attract an audience dwindle. There is one final issue: the government. The Securities and Exchange Commission believes (probably justifiably) in fairly tight regulation of investment advice, and may not like the idea of individuals telling other individuals how to invest. Most of these sites include disclaimers like "None of the information presented should be construed as investment advice. You are advised to consult a professional financial advisor before executing a security trade based on information obtained from this site." They do this to avoid lawsuits, but I suspect that most users ignore the warning and use the information they find as investment advice. Depending on how things play out, the SEC may decide to clamp down on individual investor recommendation sites. Despite these obstacles, I am optimistic about the future of these sites, and I'm confident that the major issues will be resolved and that they'll become an increasingly popular way for investors to get stock research and ideas from each other. I'd like to see some of the popular analysts, columnists and other pros become members of iExchange and similar sites so they can show just how good they are. I suspect that they would be, on average, no better than individual stock pickers; and I suspect they know this, which is why they probably won't do it. But it would be nice. Final Thoughts In this three-part essay, I've discussed the likelihood that stock picking accountability will increase in several different categories: analysts, mutual fund managers, magazine columnists, newsletter publishers, and individual investors. Signs point to 'yes' for several of them, but not all. Would that be just a partial success? No. Those areas in which accountability increases will become more popular, to the detriment of the other areas. What about all the conflicts of interest I discussed? They aren't going to magically go away. But they don't have to. The conflicts of interest will remain, but those stock pickers who cave in to conflicts of interest will be suboptimal pickers and their trackable results will reflect it. There's no need to address whether these conflicts of interest will be resolved on a case-by-case basis, because the resolution will be the same for all of them. The sites I featured are taking baby steps toward accountability. I pointed out shortcomings in their strategies not to argue that their efforts won't work, but to encourage them to make improvements, and to encourage others to follow their lead, because I am confident that before too long it will work. Hopefully this essay will inspire a few more startups to take up the cause and increase the level of stock picking accountability. We plan to watch their progress, and if we find that the progress is slower than it should be, we at InvestorGuide.com will join in, because, quite simply, it makes sense. Sites Featured in This Essay (check 'em out!) |
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