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posted 05-16-2000 06:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for InvestorGuide Daily      Reply w/Quote
The Fed unanimously voted to raise rates the expected 50 basis points and reiterated its concern about future inflation. (source: Washington Post) http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A12584-2000May16.html

KeithG
posted 05-16-2000 04:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KeithG      Reply w/Quote
I have heard Alan say that he doesn't care what is going on in the stock market at all--people often sound like it was the wild explosion in stocks that prompted all this tightening. It was really the economic growth--two separate things (theoretically). Personally, I feel that the stock market has an effect on the economy, and that the Fed does want to slow down the growth in stocks--but Greenspan claims that the market doesn't impact the decision making process. I just heard some soundbites about this stuff.

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Originally posted by trentr:
KeithG said this:
"Of course, the Fed claimed not to care about the stock market...personally, I think that's a bunch of hooey."
What was it about the FED that made it seem like they claimed not to care about the stock market?
From what i've heard recently Greenspan at least is making these moves in large part due to the stock market...

KeithG
posted 05-16-2000 03:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KeithG      Reply w/Quote
Not bad, not bad, all things considered. The CPI number was in line with estimates, with the core rate up .2%. Some folks were looking for .1%, though. The markets reacted negatively to the 50 point announcement at first, then rallied back to their pre-anouncement levels. I think this was pretty ideal, personally. The fed tightened but caused neither a surge nor a collapse. They took an aggressive bias, warning about risks. A couple of firms have suggested we'll see a hike in June and maybe one in August before the Fed is through--I agree, 25 more, at least. I haven't heard anyone suggest that this was it.

Another month of data will be informative.
KG

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Originally posted by KeithG:
My prediction: CPI numbers come in fairly strong, Fed boosts rates 50 basis points, and takes a moderately aggressive bias in Greenie's announcement. Greenspan is all about avoiding optimism. I expect he will warn about being vigilent against inflation and hint that the work may not be through. I think this will deflate the surge people are expecting after the announcement, but not lead to a major sell-off. This buys the Fed time until June when it will have a better picture of whether the economy is actually slowing.
KG

wassup?
posted 05-16-2000 02:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wassup?      Reply w/Quote
What I find interesting about that Cohen quote was what she said about the "agressive stance." Now, I agree that a 50 point hike is priced in right now, but if the Fed states a more aggressive stance, I think that might quell this little rally. We'll see soon enough.

gatsby
posted 05-16-2000 11:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for gatsby      Reply w/Quote
I don't pretend to understand it, but here's something from MarketWatch:

"Goldman Sachs' chief investment strategist Abby Joseph Cohen said Tuesday that a more aggressive stance by the Federal Reserve on interest rates is already reflected in fixed income and equity markets. She told clients that such policy action will successfully prolong, not end, the economic expansion. Her S&P 500 price targets remain unchanged at 1,575 for year-end 2000 and at 1,625 for the spring of 2001. The stock market, Cohen continued, appears to have stabilized following recent price declines and volatility. This renewed stability is, she continued, directly related to the sustainability of the U.S. economic expansion and favorable valuation in many sectors of potential investment activity. Profit surprises may be less frequent in the rest of 2000 as a consequence of already-lifted earnings estimates as well as more difficult comparisons as the year progresses, Cohen conceded. Still, Goldman is not changing estimates for S&P 500 operating earnings per share of $56 and $60 in 2000 and 2001, respectively."

Joey Joe Joe
posted 05-16-2000 10:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Joey Joe Joe      Reply w/Quote
Can someone please explain to me why Greenspan and the Fed feel like they need to slow the economy down? I realize it's all about inflation, but does curbing inflation really outweigh the negatives of slowing down the entire economy? Sure, prices will be held in check, but less money will be made and productivity will slow down? Why can't things just be left alone?

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posted 05-15-2000 06:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for InvestorGuide Daily      Reply w/Quote
The Federal Reserve meets tomorrow to decide whether or not to administer another dose of anti-inflation medicine to the U.S. economy. Will the Fed opt for a quarter-point increase or a half-point hike? CNNfn's special report on tomorrow's meeting. (source: CNNfn) http://cnnfn.com/news/specials/eyes_on_fed/

In brief:

- Industrial production soared 0.9% in April while capacity utilization rose to a two-year high of 82.1%, the Federal Reserve said. The jump in output was the largest in 20 months.

KeithG
posted 05-15-2000 04:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KeithG      Reply w/Quote
Quite an interesting day. Volume was light, but the buyers were more active than the sellers prior to the meeting. People are suggesting that this might be the last rate hike for a while. hmmm. My prediction: CPI numbers come in fairly strong, Fed boosts rates 50 basis points, and takes a moderately aggressive bias in Greenie's announcement. Greenaspan is all about avoiding optimism. I expect he will warn about being vigilent against inflation and hint that the work may not be through. I think this will deflate the surge people are expecting after the announcement, but not lead to a major sell-off. This buys the Fed time until June when it will have a better picture of whether the economy is actually slowing.

KG

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posted 05-12-2000 05:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for InvestorGuide Daily      Reply w/Quote
Wholesale prices fell 0.3% in April after surging for two straight months as energy costs took their biggest plunge in nine years, more than offsetting a jump in food prices. The core rate increased 0.1%. (source: Washington Post)
http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A56427-2000May12.html

trentr
posted 05-12-2000 05:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for trentr      Reply w/Quote
KeithG said this:
"Of course, the Fed claimed not to care about the stock market...personally, I think that's a bunch of hooey."
What was it about the FED that made it seem like they claimed not to care about the stock market?
From what i've heard recently Greenspan at least is making these moves in large part due to the stock market...

wassup?
posted 05-12-2000 04:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wassup?      Reply w/Quote
Well, I think cooler heads prevailed by the end of the day, and I bet some wise profit takers took advantage of irrational exuberance. I am sorry, these numbers are not going to change what happens on Tuesday. The Fed is moving 50, and then they will go from there. People buying in hopes the Fed will stay with 25 are being foolish. Now, if people want to believe "This is the slowdown" they can do that, but I would want some bigger, more definitive numbers than these.

Also of interest to econ-watchers. I read some articles today that said the only thing going on in this market is the economy. There is a big tech-conference going on and all that is moving the markets is speculation about the Fed and economic data.

KeithG
posted 05-12-2000 11:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KeithG      Reply w/Quote
Saw a good amount of analysis on CNBC this morning about the economic numbers. Some folks felt that tuesday was going to be a buy-buy situation--if they raise 25 or 50 basis points, people will buy into the market. I guess the idea is--if they boost 50, that might be the last raise we see for a while, signs do seem to be slowing down a little bit. If they raise 25, then it will be lower than expected and people will jump in head first. I agreed with one of the talking heads that there is little chance of a 25 point hike now because the Fed doesn't want people rushing into the market after expecting 50 points. Of course, the Fed claimed not to care about the stock market...personally, I think that's a bunch of hooey.

Still the CPI numbers are still upcoming, and, as one of the people said, the Fed is on a meeting-to-meeting schedule. It is hard to predict down the line.

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posted 05-11-2000 06:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for InvestorGuide Daily      Reply w/Quote
Americans, put off by dreary, cold weather in April, stayed away from the stores, pulling retail sales down by a surprising 0.2%. (source: MSNBC) http://msnbc.com/news/406281.asp

bobcobb
posted 05-11-2000 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bobcobb      Reply w/Quote
Its not just people (when you say that I assume you mean average investors), but also analysts and news columnists who think the retail numbers will cause the fed to only raise rates 25bp. If that's the case then the move today might have been justified.
It used to be that reactions took a few days, now reactions just happen so quickly cause everyone is plugged in.

KeithG
posted 05-11-2000 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KeithG      Reply w/Quote
I'm not sure how I feel about this reaction to the retail numbers today. I have a feeling that some people are beginning to think the Fed might not raise the rates 50 basis points, and I don't think the numbers from today are going to keep alan from that hike. Maybe if there is some more stunning news tomorrow, this change in attitude might be somewhat justified. I hate to think that over teh enxt couple days the market will pick back up in expectation of a 25 pointer and then plummet on a 50-pointer. But, a lot of investors just want to believe...

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