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slurm
posted 05-11-2000 11:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for slurm      Reply w/Quote
Interesting. I don't know what techniques analysts use to predict the Fed's moves. I also don't know how accurate they are... perhaps one of the sites that's tackling stock picking accountability (see the current Tomments http://www.investorville.com/ubb/Forum39/HTML/000002.html) will also start to track predictions analysts make about interest rate changes, to see who's worth listening to.

wassup?
posted 05-10-2000 03:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wassup?      Reply w/Quote
Apparently Merril Lynch (I think it was them) in an analysis of the paper industry said they expect the Fed's rate hiking to be over in August. Of couse, they were concerned with how this would impact the paper industry, but I am curious how they make estimates of those sort of things. How to predict how the Fed will act. Moreover, who is to say how much the rates will be hiked by then? Isn't it a better indication if they predict how high the rates will be when the Fed is through? Interesting, though.

KeithG
posted 05-09-2000 02:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KeithG      Reply w/Quote
Interesting, gatsby. I never thought about a conference call impacting the Fed in such a manenr. Did you read an article somewhere that suggested the connection? I don't see why Wal-Mart's analysis would weigh more than the Fed's own analysis.

As far as a 75-100 point hike, from what I have read about Greenspan, I think he is the kind of guy that doesn't want to be remembered as the destroyer of the boom. On the other hand, he doesn't want to be the man that let inflation take over. So, I guess what I am saying is, I seriously doubt we will see a 75 or 100 point hike at this meeting. You'll notice that the Fed hasn't really shocked anyone yet--they kept moving 25 points, and now, only after the news broke that a 50 point hike was discussed at the last meeting does a 50 point hike seem likely. the Fed doesn't want to cause a panic, so they let people prepare for what is coming. Maybe over the next week people will get prepared for more than 50 points, but I won't. Jumping from 25 to 75 is too abrupt. There is a lag involved with these hikes, and Greenie has been cautious not to move too far ahead. This doesn't seem like the time to jump the gun.

gatsby
posted 05-09-2000 01:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for gatsby      Reply w/Quote
Apparently, Wal-Mart had a fabulous conference call during which they said they see no end in sight to the tremendous consumer spending. Apparently, this could be murder on the markets, as Greenspan could potentially use this call to hike the rates even more (maybe a 75 or 100 point increase). Is this paranoia? Or can one conference call really persuade the Fed in this way?

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posted 05-08-2000 06:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for InvestorGuide Daily      Reply w/Quote
grant China permanent trade benefits. The pact also won an endorsement from Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan. (source: Washington Post) http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A27416-2000May8.html

wassup?
posted 05-08-2000 12:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wassup?      Reply w/Quote
I need a refresher on my econ. courses. In response to uncleharley's last question, I see a 50 basis point hike. there was a lot of talk about it at the last Fed meeting. I think everyone is beginning to price that in, and it will be a pretty significant shock if they don't.

As far as the budget surplus, isn't the strong economy causing the surplus--as people's incomes have increased, the amount they pay in taxes have increased. So, to argue that the gov't is taxing us to a point it can't spend the money, it might just be that people have been earning too much for the gov't to spend. So, I am not sure the surplus really tells us much about fiscal policy.

I can't remember this from my classes, but isn't the money supply is controlled by purchasing and selling of debt, not the rate hikes. It is only recently that repurchasing has come to my attention-- so I am wondering if Greenspan has really been tightening the supply for very long. Maybe someone can explain to me how the rate hike tightens the money supply. I am not ready to find my old textbooks just yet!

uncleharley
posted 05-05-2000 10:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for uncleharley      Reply w/Quote
Some people believe that rising labor costs are a part of inflation, rather than a cause.
They even go so far as to say that inflation is caused by fiscal and monetary policy. If they are right, let's look at those two factors.
Everyone knows that the Federal government as been running a budget surplus for the last couple years. This would seem to indicate that fiscal policy has been conservative and therefore created budget surplus's. That may be true or it is possible that we are simply being taxed to a point where the government can't spend all the money. If that is the case, then fiscal policy is loose rather than tight.
Next let's look at monetary policy.
Greenspan has been tightening the screws on the money supply, right???
Well, yes and no.
The federal reserve pumped a ton of money into the system late last fall in case Y2K became a problem. Some people feel that liquidity is what is causing some indicators to flash inflation signals now. If that is true, then the Fed has to tighten things up a bit more.
The question, of course, is how much. The consesus right now seems to be a 500 basis points increase in the discount rate. What is your opinion????

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posted 05-05-2000 05:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for InvestorGuide Daily      Reply w/Quote
The nation's jobless rate fell to 3.9 percent last month, the first time it has been below 4% since January 1970, and record lows were set for unemployment among Hispanics and blacks. The strong data is thought to increase the liklihood of a rate increase from the Fed. (source: Washington Post)
http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A12583-2000May5.html

shlem
posted 05-05-2000 12:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shlem      Reply w/Quote
What is important is long term rate. When these rate will get to Keyne's Liquidity Trap we will anyway see that the market will go out of long term assets to liquid assets.

GreenSpan have no control on long term interest rate only on short term and they are sometime inversely correlated as we will see after the raise next time.

And no matter how prudent will be the banks they will have tons of bad debts....

That is how the bubble will burst.

Still there is a life after the Burst: http://shlem.virtualave.net

Regards,

Shalom Patrick Hamou

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posted 05-04-2000 06:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for InvestorGuide Daily      Reply w/Quote
Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan warned U.S. bankers not to be lulled into complacency in managing risk, especially with sophisticated financial tools such as derivatives. (source: CNN) http://www.cnnfn.com/2000/05/04/economy/greenspan/

U.S. worker productivity rose just 2.4% in the first three months of the year while wage costs showed surprising strength, the government said. (source: MSNBC) http://www.msnbc.com/p/cnbc/403347.asp

KeithG
posted 05-04-2000 12:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KeithG      Reply w/Quote
I'm just going to continue to talk to myself in here...
I found an article/commentary that deals with the issues econguru brought up about productivity and inflation. It's long, but I thought very informative and very bullish.


"Productivity : The trend in productivity growth is at the heart of the current new/old economy debate. If productivity growth accelerates, economic growth (and thus corporate profit growth) can remain strong without prompting higher inflation. Today's Q1 productivity report is calling the accelerating trend into question, as growth slowed to 2.4% from its 3.6% trend of the prior 12 month period. Many new economy skeptics -- and there are plenty -- are jumping on this number as evidence that the productivity boom is over. Can you say deja vu? Rewind to August 1999 and the release of the Q2 1999 productivity data. The preliminary release for that quarter revealed growth of just 1.3% and a large 3.8% jump in unit labor costs. At that time, we heard volumes from stubbornly old (economy) economists about how productivity growth was not accelerating, potential growth was not rising, and inflation would not remain contained. We noted at the time that productivity numbers are extremely volatile on a quarter to quarter basis, and that it was stupid to declare a trend on the basis of one number. As it turned out, productivity growth boomed in the succeeding two quarters by 5.0% and 6.9% in Q3 and Q4, bringing the year/year pace to a new late-business cycle peak. Now, we have a number of 2.4% that keeps the year/year pace at a very strong 3.5%, and the old economy school that previously thought trend productivity growth was 1% calls this a bad number. Please spare us. The productivity boom continues and will reach a new and higher plane as B2B technologies bring Internet efficiencies to the business-to-business realm. Finally, a little reminder about what matters. The market was frightened by a worse than expected Employment Cost number last week, but that measure is not the key to inflation. The key is unit labor costs -- how much a business has to pay to produce each unit of output. Wage and benefit costs can rise, but if productivity grows faster, unit labor cost growth will decelerate. That is what we have seen over the past year. And if unit labor cost growth is less than the inflation rate, then inflationary pressures stemming from the labor market are waning, not waxing. That is the case now, with year/year unit labor costs growing at a meager 0.7% vs total inflation of over 3% and core inflation of about 2%. In short, businesses are currently raising prices more than their unit labor costs are rising, and they can therefore either reduce the rate of price increases (lower inflation) or allow profit margins to rise. In short, today's productivity report doesn't change the bullish productivity and inflation view anymore than the Q2 1999 report did. Many economists will argue otherwise, but they will be the same economists who were wrong last year, and in 1998, and in 1997, and so on. - Greg Jones, Briefing.com"

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posted 05-03-2000 07:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for InvestorGuide Daily      Reply w/Quote
The U.S. economy is surging ahead at a rapid clip, with a lack of available workers fueling pressure on companies to pay higher wages, the Federal Reserve said. Still, competition between businesses and rising productivity is thus far keeping inflation under wraps. (source: CNNfn)
http://cnnfn.com/2000/05/03/economy/beigebook

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posted 05-03-2000 07:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for InvestorGuide Daily      Reply w/Quote
The U.S. economy is surging ahead at a rapid clip, with a lack of available workers fueling pressure on companies to pay higher wages, the Federal Reserve said. Still, competition between businesses and rising productivity is thus far keeping inflation under wraps. (source: CNNfn)
http://cnnfn.com/2000/05/03/economy/beigebook

KeithG
posted 05-03-2000 05:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KeithG      Reply w/Quote
Not a whole lot of Economy Watchers out there, huh? Well, I think today was the first step in preparing the markets for the inevitable. The strong words from the Fed suggest that they are trying to warn people of the half-pointer. The markets reacted in kind, with the Dow dropping heavily. The Nasdaq actually bounced back after the announcement, probably Dow investors heading into the "rate-immune" tech stocks. But, I think when the Fed does raise the rates .5, will see some buying. Sell on the rumor...

KeithG
posted 05-02-2000 05:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KeithG      Reply w/Quote
The rumors are beginning to fly once again about a .5 point increase from the Fed. There is some big economic data out at the end of the week that could push Greenie over the edge. Some members of the Fed were asking for a .5 hike last meeting. Investors are nervous, as today's low volume trading day shows, but why don't they just prepare for the worst? Unless these numbers are pretty quiet, I think the expectation SHOULD be a .5 hike, and if Alan shocks us with a .25, the markets can go up from there.

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