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bobcobb
posted 04-14-2000 04:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bobcobb      Reply w/Quote
Dude,
You are right and wrong.
I know studies all over the place say its impossible to time the market, or not feasible because if you miss the top ten days of gains you miss out on some huge percentage of gains for the year or whatever.
The thing is, if you can jump into the market at the bottom that long term investment will grow so much more. If you jump on it as its going down then you've first got to wait till it gets back to where you bought it to make any money. If I see the market in a fear and panic mode (especially considering the caliber of investor that is investing now, and the extent to which people have maxxed out their margin accounts) I'm not jumping in till I think we are near the bottom.

dude
posted 04-14-2000 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dude      Reply w/Quote
There are plenty of bargains to be had today. Long term investors shouldn't worry about whether other investors are going to be motivated by greed or fear next week or next month. Fear was winning this week, but the tide can turn quickly. The point is, if you buy good stocks and plan to hold them for several years, the volatility is a plus, not a minus, because it gives you a chance to buy when others are fearful and sell when they're greedy.

bobcobb
posted 04-14-2000 02:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bobcobb      Reply w/Quote
nohype, i'm waiting for the dust to settle.

Here's an interesting quote from yesterday.
"Now, eyes on Wall Street are fixed on one key number: 3649 - the intra-day low the Nasdaq index hit April 4. After losing 769.67 points this week, the Nasdaq is less than 28 points away.
'Friday is a very important day: If it breaks through the low, it will increase the fear and panic,' says Don Hays of money management firm Hays Advisory Group"
We've certainly fallen below that, and more.
I feel like i've been seeing that fear and panic in the dow and the nasdaq today.

nohype
posted 04-14-2000 11:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nohype      Reply w/Quote
Anyone out there looking at the plummeting net sector as a buying opportunity? Or is everyone waiting for the dust to settle before getting back in?

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posted 04-13-2000 07:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for InvestorGuide Daily      Reply w/Quote
The Dow fell for the second straight day, led by some profit taking in financial stocks and sellers reacting to the failure of the indicator to surpass certain technical levels. The Nasdaq shed earlier gains in the last hour of trading to end down for the fourth day this week, despite some renewed investor interest in technology shares, beaten lower after a three-day selling spree. (source: CNNfn)
http://www.cnnfn.com/2000/04/13/markets/markets_newyork

newinvestor
posted 04-13-2000 05:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for newinvestor      Reply w/Quote
Interesting discussion going on here.
KeithG,
According to this article we are officially in a bear market...
http://www.latimes.com/business/20000413/t000034685.html

KeithG
posted 04-13-2000 12:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KeithG      Reply w/Quote
Sorry to be confusing. What I meant was, when I think of a "bear market" it is a long-term trend--something that develops over months and lasts for years. this "bear market" hit in two or three weeks. I'm pretty young, so I can't say I was following the market when the latest Bull Market started, but I don't think it was suddenly a "bull market" after two or three successful weeks. On the other hand, this Bear has been announced unbelievably quickly. I thought that people would have to look into the rearview mirror over a couple of months before announcing "we have entered a bear market."
I mean, I take it with a grain of salt, this discussion of a bear market, it is only a technical definition.

But, that is what I meant.
KG

netinvestor
posted 04-13-2000 10:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for netinvestor      Reply w/Quote
KeithG
You wrote:
"Everyone is used to a long, drawn-out, painful market trend, and now the tech sector just gets whomped with huge losses for two weeks and we're in a bear market."
Can you clarify what you mean here?
A long, drawn-out painful market trend? It seems to me that before this year the trend was anything but painful. The Nasdaq was basically going up all the time for the past couple years. Or do you mean something else?
I agree though, that the possible bear market would be a shock to the system. Most investors don't know what a bear market is, or how to survive one. I know i've never had much money in the market when its dropped this far.

KeithG
posted 04-13-2000 09:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KeithG      Reply w/Quote
So, I heard last night that the correction in the Nasdaq satisfies at least one of the criteria of a bear market. Apparently, one way a bear market is gauged is if the market is 25% below its high, which the Nasdaq stumbled past. I think it is just anothersign of the new times that we could hit a "bear" market in a couple of weeks. Everyone is used to a long, drawn-out, painful market trend, and now the tech sector just gets whomped with huge losses for two weeks and we're in a bear market.

uncleharley
posted 04-12-2000 09:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for uncleharley      Reply w/Quote
Here is an interesting article on who is selling and who might not be selling tech stocks. I wish he was more specific on who is a wall street pro, but it is still a good story. http://cbsmarketwatch.com/news/current/baz.htx?source=htx/http2_mw

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posted 04-12-2000 06:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for InvestorGuide Daily      Reply w/Quote
The Nasdaq plummeted over 280 points, its second largest point loss ever, as investors dumped technology stocks like Microsoft and Intel. The tech selling spree spilled over near the close to send the Dow lower, driven by its tech components: Hewlett-Packard, IBM, Intel and Microsoft. (source: CNNfn)
http://cnnfn.com/2000/04/12/markets/markets_newyork/

Dow Jones Industrials: 11125.13, down 161.95, 1.43%
Nasdaq Composite: 3769.61, down 286.29, 7.06%
S&P 500: 1467.17, down 33.42, 2.23%
30-year Treasury Bond: 5.841%, up 0.069

dude
posted 04-12-2000 03:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dude      Reply w/Quote
> ... a Kiplinger's editor who ended up getting swept up by the tech-stock giddiness and using margins to take on some high fliers. Now he pays the price. The lesson? Even people who are experienced and know all about fundamental investing and dollar-cost averaging and all those things about investing "people need to learn" have been caught up in this frenzied time.

Another possible explanation is that magazine columnists aren't the experts they are perceived to be, and this guy is one of the few who is willing to admit his mistake.

MaxPower
posted 04-12-2000 02:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MaxPower      Reply w/Quote
hecubus, I still don't believe that last Tuesday's mirroring drop in the Dow after starting off so well was a "sympathy fall." It's very likely that people, when the margins come calling, would rather sell their Dow stocks than many of their Nasdaq positions.

happyguy, What's bad for people trading on margin and unexperienced investors is not the same as what is bad for the economy or market as a whole. I realize psychology plays an important part in individual investing, but not institutional or fund investing. Plus, what is great about the current economy and many technology companies hasn't changed, despite severe falls, and in the long run, the market will continue to reflect this (unless the economy turns sour of course).

KeithG
posted 04-12-2000 12:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KeithG      Reply w/Quote
I thought this was an interesting and entertaining article. It is by a Kiplinger's editor who ended up getting swept up by the tech-stock giddiness and using margins to take on some high fliers. Now he pays the price. The lesson? Even people who are experienced and know all about fundamental investing and dollar-cost averaging and all those things about investing "people need to learn" have been caught up in this frenzied time. More people may get hurt by a Nasdaq collapse than we think.

http://www.kiplinger.com/feature/index.html?investments/archives/2000/April/confess.htm

happyguy
posted 04-12-2000 10:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for happyguy      Reply w/Quote
Originally posted by Joey Joe Joe:
"You know, I don't think this reallocation thing is as negative as the media is making it out to be."
A lot of people have been losing a lot of money in the past days and weeks. As evidenced by the margin calls, not all of it was money they had to lose. Not only that, the people losing the money are often these new bandwagon jumpers who don't know what "investing" is, they are more like speculators. They are treating it a lot more like gambling. They've never seen a bear market, and probably won't know what to do when they do see one.

"Reestablishing a nice balance between the Dow and Nasdaq may be really good for the economy, as more and more people are managing their risk a little better now.
And maybe some of the newbies that jumped on the bandwagon without any understanding of investing or the companies they were throwing money at will decide enough is enough, adding a little more stability to the current volatile situation."

Yep, I couldn't agree more. People need to learn a little more in my opinion... that'll decrease the volatility in the markets.

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