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smario |
...and finally yesterday, Cisco finished the day as the world's most valuable company. The top three are now: Cisco - $555.4 billion Microsoft - $541.6 billion General Electric - $520.5 billion (source: USA Today) I realize that once MSFT gets past this whole settlement and antitrust problem, they will have more time to focus public perception on the company and future rather than the legal problems, but Cisco won't go away. This could be Ali-Frazier all over again. |
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smario |
Wow, that's pretty amazing. I had no idea they had caught up to Microsoft. Last I heard, Cisco was third earlier this week, but I never realized how close the top three really were. Regardless, it's pretty significant, though ironic that MSFT also had one of its best days in a long time. |
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InvestorGuide Daily Administrator |
In brief: Cisco Systems, the world's biggest maker of equipment that powers the internet, briefly topped software behemoth Microsoft as the world's most valuable company. |
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dude |
> I've never understood or agreed with the argument that says by the time a split occurs, it doesn't really matter, since any price movement has already been factored in. < I would encourage you to back-test your opposing theory with historical data. If you find that stocks (or some identifiable subset of them) move up the day after they split significantly more often than they move down the day after they split, then you've found a way to make some easy money. > After Cisco split last night, there is already a 5 point increase (10 point pre-split) on volume of 40 million. Why? Because now that it is more affordable, more people can get their target amount of shares. < |
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gatsby |
I've never understood or agreed with the argument that says by the time a split occurs, it doesn't really matter, since any price movement has already been factored in. And splits, by definition, don't make your shares more or less valuable. However, after Cisco split last night, there is already a 5 point increase (10 point pre-split) on volume of 40 million. Why? Because now that it is more affordable, more people can get their target amount of shares. And with this increased demand, the price increases. So it seems there is still value to be unlocked post-split, huh? |
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Machiavelli |
For those having trouble keeping tabs, here is a nice acquisition summary I found for the big three: Nortel Buys Lucent Buys Cisco Buys |
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gatsby |
Plus, Cisco knows better than any other company how to integrate acquisitions. That may be why Amazon doesn't - they don't have the integration expertise. I read the same article you read, and here's the excerpt I liked: "Cisco has a SWAT team of people responsible for integrating the operations of the companies that it acquires into its own operations. It assimilates companies into its operations in a way that's similar to the Borg on Star Trek. You could easily say that Cisco has written the book on how to pull off successful acquisitions." |
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Machiavelli |
A lot of people have wondered why Cisco doesn't set up a venture capital fund like Amazon and Intel have done successfully. Instead, Cisco just buys companies outright. Here's an explanation I saw on the Fool: "Why not have a venture capital fund like Amazon rather than buy companies outright? However, Cisco's business is much different than Amazon's. It aims to provide end-to-end networking solutions to its customers. By acquiring companies outright, Cisco is better able to integrate the acquired products into its own operations. Plus, Cisco runs its business so efficiently that in the long run it will be most successful by bringing the whole operation in-house." Although you would think that Amazon would be able to integrate their investments easily as well, since their goal is to become a one-stop shopping area for all needs. So I don't quite see the difference. |
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terrific |
I agree, even if you pick the wrong choice between these two you'll still do better than most investors. But I think Microsoft is a much safer investment than Cisco, because its P/E is more reasonable (57 vs. 186). The prevailing wisdom seems to be that it's impossible to pay too much for a great stock, but I disagree, and think that Cisco is approaching that level. |
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MaxPower |
I could easily Cisco justifying a larger market cap than Microsoft. And I basically believe these are the only two companies that can justify a cap at these levels to begin with. The reason for Cisco being #1 in my mind is the positioning of the company for the future. Cisco (very much like Intel) is in a great position to take advantage of any technology and communication trend over the next 10-20 years. Yet Microsoft, in my eyes, seems to live more for the present, or if not the present, then for present technology and trends (ie the desktop operating system). Sure both of these companies have management that can change any of these variables in their favor, but in the current situation, I would value Cisco ahead of Microsoft. But you know what? It will be harder to find better technology blue chip investments anywhere else. It's kind of like having to choose between one pot of gold and another - either one is good enough for me. |
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newguy |
As I type this, Cisco's market cap is $460 billion and Microsoft's is $490 billion. Cisco's has never been higher than Microsoft's, but the gap has been narrowing. The question is, when will Cisco catch Microsoft: this month, this year, later, or never? |
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dude |
It's not a short squeeze, since those are only felt on stocks with a small float and/or a small average daily volume, neither of which applies to Cisco. The rise is most likely just a part of the current tech stock mania. |
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MaxPower |
Well, Cisco sure does know how to take advantage of a good day on the market. Almost up 15 points today...is this a byproduct of an oversold stock? Or a short squeeze? Or any other "buzz words" I've heard thrown around to describe such a sharp move? I'm always fascinated by the reasons behind these moves, especially when they are followed by opposite direction moves over the following days...and we'll see if that happens here as well. Thoughts? |
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Machiavelli |
dude, again, this was from a quick hearing of the conference call. I can only assume the word "invest" means a combination of m&a's, taking stakes in other companies, R&D, etc. But it is possible Chambers will prefer one of these to any other investment oopportunities depending on what types of returns Cisco has gotten from each in the past. |
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newsman |
Cisco acquires Growth Networks: http://www.zdnet.com/intweek/stories/news/0,4164,2440551,00.html |
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