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smario
posted 03-28-2000 08:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for smario      Reply w/Quote
...and finally yesterday, Cisco finished the day as the world's most valuable company. The top three are now:
Cisco - $555.4 billion
Microsoft - $541.6 billion
General Electric - $520.5 billion
(source: USA Today)

I realize that once MSFT gets past this whole settlement and antitrust problem, they will have more time to focus public perception on the company and future rather than the legal problems, but Cisco won't go away. This could be Ali-Frazier all over again.

smario
posted 03-24-2000 09:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for smario      Reply w/Quote
Wow, that's pretty amazing. I had no idea they had caught up to Microsoft. Last I heard, Cisco was third earlier this week, but I never realized how close the top three really were. Regardless, it's pretty significant, though ironic that MSFT also had one of its best days in a long time.

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posted 03-23-2000 06:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for InvestorGuide Daily      Reply w/Quote
In brief:

Cisco Systems, the world's biggest maker of equipment that powers the internet, briefly topped software behemoth Microsoft as the world's most valuable company.

dude
posted 03-23-2000 06:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dude      Reply w/Quote
> I've never understood or agreed with the argument that says by the time a split occurs, it doesn't really matter, since any price movement has already been factored in. <
I would encourage you to back-test your opposing theory with historical data. If you find that stocks (or some identifiable subset of them) move up the day after they split significantly more often than they move down the day after they split, then you've found a way to make some easy money.

> After Cisco split last night, there is already a 5 point increase (10 point pre-split) on volume of 40 million. Why? Because now that it is more affordable, more people can get their target amount of shares. <
I wish the cause and effect were that straightforward: stock splits -> price moves up. The reason that a stock price often moves up when a split is first announced is not that more people can get their target amount of shares as you said, but that many beginning investors wrongly feel that a share of stock at 50 is somehow cheaper than a share of stock at 100 which represents twice as much ownership, and so they wait for the stock to split before buying... but astute investors see this coming and buy in anticipation of it. Stocks do often move up on the _announcement_ of a planned split (which is an unpredictable event), but foreseen events (such as the exact date on which a stock will split) are very difficult to make money from. I'm not saying that stocks never move up right after they split; I'm saying that consistently profiting from this technique is not as obvious as today's Cisco action made it seem.

gatsby
posted 03-23-2000 12:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for gatsby      Reply w/Quote
I've never understood or agreed with the argument that says by the time a split occurs, it doesn't really matter, since any price movement has already been factored in. And splits, by definition, don't make your shares more or less valuable.

However, after Cisco split last night, there is already a 5 point increase (10 point pre-split) on volume of 40 million. Why? Because now that it is more affordable, more people can get their target amount of shares. And with this increased demand, the price increases. So it seems there is still value to be unlocked post-split, huh?

Machiavelli
posted 03-22-2000 01:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Machiavelli      Reply w/Quote
For those having trouble keeping tabs, here is a nice acquisition summary I found for the big three:

Nortel Buys
-- CoreTek, an optical components manufacturer for $1.43 billion in stock March 21.
-- Xros, a photonics switching manufacturer for $3.25 billion in stock March 14.
-- Qtera, a manufacturer of long reach optical networking systems for $3.25 billion in stock December 15.

Lucent Buys
-- Ignitus Communications, a manufacturer of optical components at the network edge, March 14. Terms not disclosed.
-- Ortel, an optoelectric components manufacturer for $2.95 billion in stock February 7. Through the deal, Lucent gained a valuable minority interest in privately held Tellium, a well-regarded manufacturer of optical switching products.
-- SpecTran, a manufacturer of specialty optical fibers and products for $64 million in cash July 15.

Cisco Buys
-- Pirelli Optical, the optical systems business of the Milan, Italy-based company for $2.15 billion in stock December 20.
-- Internet Engineering Group, an optical networking software maker for $25 million December 17.
-- Cerent Corp., a manufacturer of optical networking hardware for $6.9 billion in stock August 26.
-- Monterey Networks, an optical transport networking equipment company for $500 million in stock August 26.
-- StratumOne Communications, a manufacturer of semiconductor products for high speed, wide area networks for $435 million in stock June 29.

gatsby
posted 03-10-2000 02:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for gatsby      Reply w/Quote
Plus, Cisco knows better than any other company how to integrate acquisitions. That may be why Amazon doesn't - they don't have the integration expertise. I read the same article you read, and here's the excerpt I liked:

"Cisco has a SWAT team of people responsible for integrating the operations of the companies that it acquires into its own operations. It assimilates companies into its operations in a way that's similar to the Borg on Star Trek. You could easily say that Cisco has written the book on how to pull off successful acquisitions."

Machiavelli
posted 03-10-2000 10:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Machiavelli      Reply w/Quote
A lot of people have wondered why Cisco doesn't set up a venture capital fund like Amazon and Intel have done successfully. Instead, Cisco just buys companies outright. Here's an explanation I saw on the Fool:

"Why not have a venture capital fund like Amazon rather than buy companies outright? However, Cisco's business is much different than Amazon's. It aims to provide end-to-end networking solutions to its customers. By acquiring companies outright, Cisco is better able to integrate the acquired products into its own operations. Plus, Cisco runs its business so efficiently that in the long run it will be most successful by bringing the whole operation in-house."

Although you would think that Amazon would be able to integrate their investments easily as well, since their goal is to become a one-stop shopping area for all needs. So I don't quite see the difference.

terrific
posted 03-07-2000 05:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for terrific      Reply w/Quote
I agree, even if you pick the wrong choice between these two you'll still do better than most investors. But I think Microsoft is a much safer investment than Cisco, because its P/E is more reasonable (57 vs. 186). The prevailing wisdom seems to be that it's impossible to pay too much for a great stock, but I disagree, and think that Cisco is approaching that level.

MaxPower
posted 03-07-2000 04:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MaxPower      Reply w/Quote
I could easily Cisco justifying a larger market cap than Microsoft. And I basically believe these are the only two companies that can justify a cap at these levels to begin with. The reason for Cisco being #1 in my mind is the positioning of the company for the future. Cisco (very much like Intel) is in a great position to take advantage of any technology and communication trend over the next 10-20 years. Yet Microsoft, in my eyes, seems to live more for the present, or if not the present, then for present technology and trends (ie the desktop operating system). Sure both of these companies have management that can change any of these variables in their favor, but in the current situation, I would value Cisco ahead of Microsoft.

But you know what? It will be harder to find better technology blue chip investments anywhere else. It's kind of like having to choose between one pot of gold and another - either one is good enough for me.

newguy
posted 03-07-2000 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for newguy      Reply w/Quote
As I type this, Cisco's market cap is $460 billion and Microsoft's is $490 billion. Cisco's has never been higher than Microsoft's, but the gap has been narrowing. The question is, when will Cisco catch Microsoft: this month, this year, later, or never?

dude
posted 03-06-2000 06:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dude      Reply w/Quote
It's not a short squeeze, since those are only felt on stocks with a small float and/or a small average daily volume, neither of which applies to Cisco. The rise is most likely just a part of the current tech stock mania.

MaxPower
posted 02-23-2000 05:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MaxPower      Reply w/Quote
Well, Cisco sure does know how to take advantage of a good day on the market. Almost up 15 points today...is this a byproduct of an oversold stock? Or a short squeeze? Or any other "buzz words" I've heard thrown around to describe such a sharp move? I'm always fascinated by the reasons behind these moves, especially when they are followed by opposite direction moves over the following days...and we'll see if that happens here as well. Thoughts?

Machiavelli
posted 02-21-2000 10:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Machiavelli      Reply w/Quote
dude, again, this was from a quick hearing of the conference call. I can only assume the word "invest" means a combination of m&a's, taking stakes in other companies, R&D, etc. But it is possible Chambers will prefer one of these to any other investment oopportunities depending on what types of returns Cisco has gotten from each in the past.

newsman
posted 02-18-2000 10:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for newsman      Reply w/Quote
Cisco acquires Growth Networks: http://www.zdnet.com/intweek/stories/news/0,4164,2440551,00.html

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